The Incontiguous Brick

September 4, 2007

Straw polls and trickery

Filed under: politics,Ron Paul — iknowkeith @ 12:06 pm

What do you do if a non Neocon wins your straw poll? Take him off the ballot!

And that is just what the host of GOP StrawPolls did.

In the May 2007 poll, Ron Paul came out on top with an impressive 57% of the vote. Over 15,000 people cast their vote for Dr. Paul out of 26,365 ballots cast. One would think that this means Ron Paul has a growing support base that transcends tradition campaign donations. Maybe he has a greater chance of winning than Gilmore (who received a grand total of 29 votes).

Uh oh. I guess this was a problem for the creators of this straw poll. In the August poll, the choice of GOP candidates narrowed to only ten (from 11) to exclude the previous leader. Now everyone bumped up a bit to fill in the gaping void of Ron Paul’s absence. Now the previous #2 (Fred Thompson) in on top with a thundering 25% of the votes. Gilmore will be happy to know he now garners 4% of the vote when not stacked up against Ron Paul.

June data is strangely absent.

Did I miss something? Did Ron Paul give up his candidacy? No, I don’t think so. This is what we call a bogus straw poll. I only hope that this is not a sign of what is to come in the upcoming primaries. When we all vote for our candidates, it would be a shame to have to write in Paul’s name because it was not offered as a choice. At least it is an easy name to spell.

Thanks to The Liberty Papers for pointing out this curiosity.



  1. JUst one thing, the straw poll organizers did note why they removed Ron Paul from the poll.

    THe previous three months, Ron Paul supporters organized to game the poll. In some cases there were hundreds or even thousands of submissions from the same IP addresses, or IP blocks.

    CNN, the New York Times, The Washington Post, and ABC have all reported similar actions on their online polls.

    I wrote the piece linked above; and my point was not to show some giant GOP conspiracy; just to say that as a declared candidate, he belongs on the poll; even if his supporters are gaming the system. Rather than removing him from the poll, the organizers should have just fixed the security of the poll.

    Comment by Chris Byrne — September 4, 2007 @ 12:36 pm | Reply

  2. First, just because someone votes numerous times in a poll, doesn’t mean they are trying to game it in favor of the person the are casting the fake votes for.

    They could have been trying to get Ron Paul banned.

    Second, other candidates had similar false votes and were not banned.

    Thirdly, gopstrawpolls has never shown any evidence to back up their claim.

    Fourthly, what they were really upset about was that Ron Paul supporters posted the URL on a Ron Paul wiki and encouraged other Ron Paul supporters to vote in the poll.

    That’s not gaming, that’s campaigning.

    Finally, who cares what GOP Bloggers thinks. It’s clear why they hate Dr. Paul. They are neocon appologists who think it’s just great that we ignored Osama Bin Laden and let him escape while we tracked down Saddam Hussein and got embroiled in Iraq.


    Comment by Kevin Houston — September 4, 2007 @ 1:19 pm | Reply

  3. Chris

    I consider myself to be a bit of a Ron Paul addict. I read everything I can find about Ron Paul because I am fascninated by the phenomenon of his campaign and by the disconnect between his online success and his results in “scientific” polls.

    I’ve been following these accusations of poll spamming ever since the Little Green Footballs guys made similar accusations in the spring. Unfortunately, I’ve never been able to find any specific evidence in any of these cases.

    Same thing with the GOP Strawpolls case. In fact, Google site searches of for the terms “ip address”, “block” and “ip” all come up empty. I read all the threads on the site regarding this issue and there simply was nothing specific.

    I’ve never even heard of any accusations by CNN, the New York Times, The Washington Post, or ABC.

    The Internet is a really big place, and just because I haven’t seen it, doesn’t mean it’s not out there. So please post any links you can provide to evidence of Ron Paul poll spamming.

    I don’t considering putting up a blog post to direct people to an online poll to be any more sinister than “get out the vote” efforts by major political parties during real elections. I’d be willing to bet that one could find similar posts by supporters or most of the other candidates as well.

    But I would agree with you that individuals casting more than one vote is dishonest and unethical. I would also agree with you that the burden is on the poll operator to prevent double voting. Pajama’s Media seems to be doing a good job of this and Ron Paul dominates their poll too.

    Comment by John Campbell — September 4, 2007 @ 3:02 pm | Reply

  4. How do you vote more than once when these polls log your IP and deny you the right to vote again? The only ones getting “gamed” are the people trying to vote for the candidate they support.

    Comment by American Citizen — September 4, 2007 @ 3:39 pm | Reply

  5. Had Huckabee, Brownbottom, or Tancredo received similar support, they would have just been added to the “top tier” and congratulated as the under dog who made a surprising showing! They would have had media coverage and been seen on the tube proclaiming their overwhelming support!

    Comment by Deet — September 4, 2007 @ 4:40 pm | Reply


    Best Ron Paul video – (Reply: WRONG!…Best Presidential Candidacy Video EVER!!!)

    Ron Paul “Dream On” Video!!!!

    Ron Paul “Don’t Tread On Me” Video

    Comment by chris lawton — September 4, 2007 @ 6:41 pm | Reply

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