The Incontiguous Brick

August 8, 2007

What the hell is actor Sean Penn doing in Venezuela?

Filed under: Our World,politics,Venezuela — iknowkeith @ 11:28 am

Sean Penn has been an outspoken dissident against the current administration and US foreign policy in recent years. Now he has been hanging out with the wrong crowd if he really wants his message to retain any credibility.

During a Venezuelan television program on August 2nd, Hugo Chavez sent his regards to actor Sean Penn, who was seated in the crowd. Later in the show, Chavez mentioned his two-hour meeting with Penn before the show.

Why does the leader of Venezuela want to meet with a two-bit American actor? Because he can use the meeting to say the American people are on his side.

Chavez wearing his best prison garb, jail time for leading a coup has an impact!The Leadership of Hugo Chavez:

    Jailed for leading a military coup in 1992
    Released and then elected President in 1998
    Nationalized oil industry in 2006
    Pushed OPEC to raise oil prices
    Arming Venezuela with advanced Russian fighter jets
    Made himself a dictator in 2006 by a law to “rule by decree”
    Closed down a popular Venezuelan TV station for broadcasting anti-Chavez news
    Favorite saying: “Socialism, fatherland, or death! We shall prevail!”


By aligning himself with Chavez, Sean Penn has made himself look like a fool. Any protests he makes now will be jaded by his obvious support for socialist dictators.

Nice going Sean, go make a movie and get out of politics.

16 Comments »

  1. What the Hell is the USA doing in Iraq?

    Comment by gasdocpol — August 8, 2007 @ 11:57 am | Reply

  2. THIS IS GREAT!
    way to go sean, you have just marked a distance to the rest of the little travelled
    and shortsighted americans that think that if the world dosen´t eat, shit or have
    the same system as they do it´s either socialstism or just underdeveloped.

    and it´s in times as these when american lies, greed and hatred is obviouse for
    everyone that it´s time to do something else than consuming fox news and
    hating everything that “is against us” (ie diffrent ways of constructing realities).
    Sean Penn has just done that. why should his credibility be of question. do you have
    the fact? have you really made up your own opinion? if your shitty goverment has been
    lying about everything why shouldn´t they ly about Chavez? and is the only view of
    socialism the one that you got from the McCarthy books in school? and could it be that
    somewhere even in your world things happens out of other things? which would explain
    why venezuela have VOTED for Chavez even if US sponsored a coup to get ride of him
    (never mind democracy). never stop read even outside school but now try other books
    as well.

    Never mind the status among some in US – in the world, the bigger picture, Sean Penn will
    be marked as another type of american – one who used his brain, heart and passport.

    and yes, “what the hell is us doing in IRAQ, AFGANISTAN and all over the world?”
    oh yeah, something “saving the world”, “massdestruction weapons” “bad bad dicator” …
    can´t remember any other lies right now…

    have a nice day!
    i will go and rent a movie with Sean Penn.

    Comment by :m — August 9, 2007 @ 12:14 am | Reply

  3. Sean Penn should live in Venezuela for a month without the protection of the gangster of Chavez and then….do any comments!!!

    Comment by brigitte jaffe — August 9, 2007 @ 5:24 am | Reply

  4. I really do need to stop reading some of the comments on the many blogs I read. It’s like I’m hooked on them; and not in a good way. I’m actually to the point where I start skimming the comments and looking for just the ones that are negative or against the original post. Like I’m looking for a fight or something. Must be that evil, war-mongering, and terrible American blood in me.

    Case in point, the comments by “:m” above. I have no idea why I want to post a 5000 word retort to his comments, but I feel the need to educate the ill informed with a little knowledge and truth. But therein lies the problem. How do you educate a person who is incapable of the required back-and-forth of intelligent conversation? No matter what I say, “prove”, or “disprove”, I’ll just get the tired old “Fox News” and “You’ve Never Left Your Country” response.

    I thought at first it was just a few idiots that defaulted to this in every argument or discussion that was above their pay-grade, sort of like their “You’re Hitler” goto move. But alas, it seems to be every uninformed Euro’s goto move. Oh well, they’ll do what they always do and embrace “peace” until some dictator’s thugs (like Chavez) are at their doorsteps and then they’ll be ready for help.

    Remember one thing; peace is not the absence of war. That is one of the biggest mistakes the “peace” movement makes in their flawed logic. The people of Iraq and the greater middle east have been at war almost continuously for thousands of years, meaning, I have a news flash for you guys: the US can’t be to blame since we’re only a few hundred years old.

    We’re now doing what should have been done a long time ago, but didn’t because we thought once again that the Atlantic Ocean would protect us. Yes, it’s ugly right now; it always is in the beginning. Do we let children die so you think “peace” has prevailed? Remember, we’re trying to end war, a thousand year war that we did not start, and that takes more than a couple years. It’s not a TV show guys.

    The same thing that has made Germany and Japan a beautiful place to live will finally bring peace to a region of the world that hasn’t seen it since almost the beginning of time as we know it. It won’t be easy and nothing worth doing ever is, but it will be done in spite of the “peace” movement. Peace will prevail like it always does and a better place will be born.

    Don’t believe me? Pick up a history book my friend. America, the fist super-power that actually does good for the rest of the world for non-imperialistic reasons. Russia, England, Rome. None of these super-powers did what we are doing to help the rest of the world.

    No country is perfect and we have our moments of shame and regret, just like every other country. But I’m positive we are as close as any country has ever come to being perfect. Think about how little “peace” would exist today without our actions over the past 100 years. Think about Nazism and Communism. Does any educated person believe that the world would be a better place under the rule of Communism or Fascism? Would there be less “peace” or more? Remember, peace is not defined as dictators would like it to be, when they rule like Stalin killing millions of their own citizens. Russia was at peace during most of Stalin’s rein and while millions or Russians were murdered.

    You do a disservice to the billions of people throughout history who have died fighting these evils just to throw rocks at America, a country who has defended meek and weak people throughout the world. You can post a pitiful article about how evil America was for dropping two atomic bombs on Japan, but that sir saved lives; Japanese and American lives. Read a history book and find out what it took to take even a small island in the Pacific during WWII. Ten of thousand would die on both sides for a strategic rock. Now, imagine trying to take the mainland island of Japan and the millions upon millions who would have died.

    The two Japanese cities those bombs were dropped on were selected specifically because they were industrial in nature and not the most populated, but still could negatively effect the Imperial Japanese war machine. Without these bombs being dropped, millions more would have died in Europe fighting the Germans. Do you think that if the Japanese succeed in destroying our Pacific fleet on December 7, 1941, that they would have stopped there? Do you think that they would have treated the Americans on the West Coast of the US any different then they brutally treated the Chinese?

    “:m”, It saddens me so very much to think that younger people without the knowledge and historical perspective to make a sound decision will come to your site and be filled with hate and propaganda and it sickens me. Hopefully one day, your heart will be filled with enough love to care about the children of Iraq and the rest of the world who suffer. Until then, I bid you good day sir.

    Sorry Brick. Did I say I wasn’t going to post a 5000 word retort to someone elses comments on your site? Sorry for fighting in your front yard. Ugly American!!!!

    Comment by holydogwater — August 10, 2007 @ 10:01 am | Reply

  5. holydogwater –
    You are more than welcome to use The Brick as a forum for slamming negative comments. Your comment might be some of the best writing this blog has seen (including my own posts). Feel free to post essays here whether they agree with me or not, I like the debate.

    Comment by iknowkeith — August 10, 2007 @ 12:51 pm | Reply

  6. Holydogwater

    So why did America invade Iraq which:

    1. Had nothing to do with 9/11

    2. Did not attack the USA

    3. Was no danger to the USA.

    Was whatever token rationalization you can come up with, worth what it has cost us in US lives, money and international standing?

    Is it possible to be loyal Americans and object to what the Neocons with GW Bush as their front have done in the name of the USA?

    What do you think about PNAC

    Comment by gasdocpol — August 11, 2007 @ 7:07 am | Reply

  7. Holydogwater,

    I take the fact that you thought it was about time that you got out of your wardrobe and aired
    your positions in your rightness humble way to “educate the ill informed with a little knowledge and truth”. these conservative/realist wardrobes sure as hell smell though… you did a good job in your rethoric in disabling me and therefor close every window of dialogue and constructive rethoric. If it´s the “Must be that evil, war-mongering, and terrible American blood in me” I will leave uncomment but as you climb on your high rightousness horses you will also fall by the same. Constructing a reality out of excluding ideology and prefrences does never hold. And no “it´s not on TV”. We the untelevised US sure as hell knows that – welcome to the world young man. by the way, why do you think I am a man? the world not only has to fight a western doublemoral rightousness focused on power but also the male homosocialness within it. you really need to do something about your “reality check” glasses…

    By the way, I do understand that reading news articals and articals written about the complex reality in Palestine/Israel and middle east feels threating when one feels that his view is the only right one. How dare you say anything about my knowledge of history and perspective? And then say that droping the bomb in Nagasaki saves lives; japanese lives. You know that is a lie and by that you continue in the same tradition as other apologist. Now you have to go back an revise the history but this time new books. You say my blog is about “hate and propaganda”. I just scan the world for reports and opinions. All opinions. If that is bad in your world then you should see your own. Oh boy that´s a really sad and scary pict but on the other side we have a world that nowdays sees US for the real shit it is. Viva China! Viva america sur! Viva EU! Viva India!

    I will leave you and your to read this worth while piece from Patrick J. Buchanan.

    “Anyway sweet dreams about the terrible elected Chavez and “liberals” that just treathens every shitty fundamental “american life style” value

    “As for this country, the argument over who is responsible for the worst strategic debacle in American history will be poisonous.

    With a U.S. defeat in Iraq, U.S. prestige would plummet across the region. Who will rely on a U.S. commitment for its security? Like the British and French before us, we will be heading home from the Middle East.

    What we are about to witness is how empires end.”

    Patrick J. Buchanan
    http://antiisgood.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/this-is-how-empires-end/

    Sweet dreams in the empire…

    : m

    Comment by Antievil — August 11, 2007 @ 4:18 pm | Reply

  8. Dear “gasdocpol” & “:m”,

    Freeing Iraq from the rule of fascism was not done because Iraq attacked America on 9/11, just like we didn’t free Germany from fascist rule in 1942 because they attacked us (which by the way, they didn’t). I read over my comments to ensure I didn’t somehow give you that impression and I have never written/said anything even close to something so ignorant. So, I will assume this is just something you like to cut-and-paste anytime you think you’re discussing an issue with a “neo-con” or whatever catch-phrase buzz-word you’ve been told to call anyone who may disagree with you. But you’re right, that’s much easier than actually trying to prove your point or anyone else’s for that matter. Not that I could find even one point in the “:m” rambling.

    I would love to detail to you why we freed Iraq and are attempting to bring peace and democracy to the greater Middle East, but I’m assuming you and “:m” really don’t care, so I won’t waste too much of your precious time, seeing how you need to get on with the business of saving Iraqi lives. I would like to point out some differences in what we think though.

    I will say that I think we are there paying the ultimate sacrifice (like we’ve done time and time again) trying to make a troubled and war torn region of the world a better place. I know you believe peace prevailed in the Middle East before the “evil Americans” showed up to steal the oil in 2003. I know you think Iraq was a peaceful neighbor to Iran and Kuwait and that Saddam was not responsible for the deaths of several million humans, including over one million of Iraq’s own citizens.

    I know you think that somehow American and British soldiers are there right now killing innocent civilians, when on the other hand I think they are trying to protect them. I know that you think there are no evil people or organizations over in the Middle East—be they called al Quaeda, terrorists, or insurgents—trying to expand this war and kill as many children as possible for propaganda. That’s what the military is doing, right? Not dying protecting these people, right? And I know that you think that if America pulled every soldier out of the Middle East that “war” would be over and “peace” would finally prevail. More people wouldn’t die, right? After all, all those people are dying at the hands of American soldiers, right? You do realize we are in Iraq at the request of the duly elected Iraqi government, right? Maybe not.

    So, what should we have done? Let’s play your game and find out what the “peace movement” would have done after 9/11. I’m going under the assumption that you are not of the ilk that believe the U.S. government didn’t organize the 9/11 attacks against itself. If you believe this then stop reading now, because I’m wasting my breath.

    So, should we have pulled every soldier out of the Middle East after 9/11 as Bin Laden and Saddam demanded? Peace would have prevailed? Would this have saved millions of lives or cost millions of lives? Let me tell you what I think would have happened and when you get a chance you can tell me what you think would have happened. I would imagine we wouldn’t have even one ally left in the Middle East if this had happened. Israel (our ally) would probably be no more, but that’s just a wild hunch. Afghanistan (our ally now) would without a doubt still be under the direct control of terrorists. Iraq (our ally now), under an unchecked Saddam, would have marched back into Kuwait and eventually Saudi Arabia. I won’t even go into what our country is doing to protect other regions of the world such as Japan and South Korea; I’ll save that for a different post. Let’s just say South Korea would have trouble maintaining the DMZ and leave it at that.

    Maybe you’re not 100% “peace movement” so I’ll make a few assumptions. I’ll assume you’re okay with us freeing Afghanistan from religious fascism since you said Iraq did not directly attack us and Afghanistan did. This is a good sound logical assumption derived from your own statement, but I understand that I may be taking too much liberty with you understanding your own words (or whomever words they are).

    After Afghanistan, do you think any other nation on this planet needed to be freed to ensure peace in the Middle East? Well, let’s play “name that country” and see. This country attacked two of it’s neighbors in less than five years sparking massive wars involving over 50 nations, it gassed and murdered it’s own citizens by the hundreds of thousands, it defied the entire international community by rebuking 17 U.N. resolutions, it harbored and gave terrorists sanctuary, it created vast amounts of weapons of mass destruction (which not one country refutes, it’s just a question of if they were destroyed or where they were dumped), and it ran telethons to pay the families of suicide bombers. That’s right peaceniks, the country in question is Iraq. Name me a better country to free and begin the needed changes in the Middle East to end theocratic tyranny. Come on, name it!!!!! Oh, that’s right, we shouldn’t help anyone but ourselves, I forgot.

    We disagree on this just as many disagreed in the past with America helping hundreds of millions of Europeans during WWI, WWII, and the fight against communism. During these dark days we had people who doubted our resolve and our need to be there saving lives, and that’s okay, we’re allowed to disagree. I fully expect any of your further comments to include no direct responses to any of my questions and that’s okay, I’m used to it. I’m thick skinned and can take it, so fire away. Call me a geo-con or whatever other label you come up with to discount my opinion.

    Here’s something we should all be able to agree on — the hope that all tyranny can be crushed and the oppressed people of the world can live as free as we do. Free from a government that kills and starves them. We all hope that Iraq turns out to be free of true war, foreign and domestic. How we get there is a difference of opinion, but we both have the same ultimate goal. Or at least I hope so or we’re all screwed.

    Comment by holydogwater — August 14, 2007 @ 10:55 pm | Reply

  9. Oh, just a side note: I googled PNAC and will get back to you “what I think about it” after further research. I’m not much on organizations.

    Also, I will tell you that I haven’t heard much good ever come out of the mouth of Pat Buchanan, so you’ll have to excuse my ignorance. I’ll take your word for him being brilliant and all. I can’t get past his hate on some issues to read his “enlightened view” (aka, protectionism) on why the rest of the world should be left alone to rot, starve, and die.

    Comment by holydogwater — August 14, 2007 @ 11:04 pm | Reply

  10. (You may not be aware of this but Germany DID declare war on the USA and that is why we went to war against Germany.)

    Bush DID NOT go before the Americans and say that we were invading Iraq to free them from a viscious dictator he only started saying that when the other reasons he gave were shown to be lies.

    Bush used the outrage at 9/11 as a hidden persuader by constantly uttering 9/11 in the same breath as Iraq and Saddam. To this day, Cheney insists that there is a link.

    Comment by gasdocpol — August 15, 2007 @ 2:49 am | Reply

  11. Yes DO google PNAC
    You will note that basically all of GW Bush’s “advisors” are in it including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Libby..

    The Project for the New American Century is basically to maintain the USA as the predominant force in the world in the 21st century and it recommends a massive build-up of our military and agressive foreign policy.

    In August 2000, it recognised that a catastrophic catalyzing event- a new Pearl Harbor would be very helpful to its agenda. (Does 9/11 qualify as a catalyzing catastrophic catalyzing event?)

    Do you care to comment on any of those facts?

    Comment by gasdocpol — August 15, 2007 @ 7:26 am | Reply

  12. Some of these comments are hard to follow, so excuse me for “blending” my responses and jumping around a little.

    What facts are those? That there is supposedly this super secret organization that we all know about? What crazy form of private eye work did you do to uncover this conspiracy? Oh that’s right, it’s not a secret organization. Does the existence of this “evil” organization change my opinion that something needed to be done to stop the Middle East fascist states? No, of course not. So, what is your point about PNAC? No point, huh? Just throwing stuff to the wall and hoping it sticks.

    I get so tired of people needing answers for every bad event, so they can sleep well at night. Evil exists and sometimes there is nothing we can do to stop it. You crave the comfort of thinking the federal government is so in control that it has to be behind anything bad that happens to this country.

    I’ll let you in on the dirty little secret, bad people exist in this world who would kill us both just for being on the Internet, or carrying the wrong book around, or wearing the wrong thing. These people are not considered murders in their countries, but leaders and judges. As long as we do nothing, these people thrive on the weak and oppressed. They WILL take over this world and rid it of us if we let them. Don’t believe it? Check out some of the laws in countries such as Iran and Saudi Arabia. Oh, I forgot, it’s Bush who passes laws against humanity in this country. He’s the terrorist, right? Those evil PNAC folks.

    The fact that America wants to be a predominant force in the world? I’m guessing that most normal Americans want us to be a predominant force in the world considering how screwed up it would be without us. What kind of world do you think this would be if Iran or Saudi Arabia were the only super powers? Do you really think we’re bad for the world? We have done and do no good?

    This whole Pearl Harbor conspiracy has been talked about since the day it was inflicted on America on Dec 7, 1941. And now, the conspiracy nut jobs have moved to another tragedy. Are you saying that 9/11 was orchestrated by our government with this statement? The same government that can’t keep one secret that more than one person knows, but somehow the thousands that would need to be behind 9/11 are all quite? Oh, that’s right, evil Bush and PNAC killed them all, and their families, and their friends, and their friend’s friends. Please tell me you don’t believe this line of crap. PLEASE, I beg of you!!!!

    What do you consider a massive build up of our military to be? Is this a bad thing to have in your opinion? What percent of the U.S. budget goes towards national defense? Do you even know. Should we reduce or abolish our military? Give me your opinion on this.

    And before we freed Iraq from tyranny the leadership in this country most certainly did give a laundry list of reasons to invade, which included bringing a needed democracy to that region to solve their 1000 years of WAR. Even strong proponents of the war were saying all these things in 2002. Don’t you want to end a war that has been going on for over a thousand years? Guess not. If you wanted to find out what was said and when, it wouldn’t be hard to find since you “found out” about PNAC.

    Oh, and I’m still waiting on who lied about what. Every country on the planet that has an intelligence department concluded that Saddam had WMD. Were they all lying? In on it with the evil Bush, maybe?

    France, Russia, Germany! They all believed he had weapons and still do. Jesus Christ, he used them on his own people. These things are not in question. Do you think they never existed maybe? Did Saddam really seem like the type to comply to any demands made by the world let alone the U.S.? Okay, we’ll go with your theory, that the U.S. could pull off 9/11 but Saddam couldn’t possibly hide three 53 foot trailer loads of chemical and biological weapons in the dessert.

    Oh, and we all know Germany did declare war on the U.S., but this was just days after the U.S. declared was on Japan for the bombing of Pearl Harbor (please buy a history book if you wish to discuss history). But still, Germany did not attack us. So, are you saying that because a country declares war on us, like Germany did, that we’re allowed to attack them? Sounds like that’s exactly what you’re saying. Then we both agree then; America had to free the people of Iraq, just like they did with Germany and Japan. I’m glad to see we are both on the same page here.

    Again, I’m assuming we both want the same thing, right? To bring true peace to the Middle East for the first time in over a thousand years. You never answered my question. Maybe you want the U.S. to be destroyed? Maybe you’ll answer that question. But like the other 500 questions I asked, you’ll answer none of them. You’ll just go find some kook website and read shit you know nothing about to explain your existence in this complex world. Sleep well tonight my friend. I hope you find peace.

    Comment by holydogwater — August 15, 2007 @ 11:19 am | Reply

  13. Instead of “blending” and “jumping around” try to focus on the issues by anwering the following questions:

    1. Do the members of PNAC include most of GW Bush’s major advisors?

    2. Does it say in the opening statement thast the world would be better off under American leadership?

    3. Do the papers presented speak of a massive millitary build-up and an aggressive foreign policy of the USA?

    4. Are the exact words “A catastrophic catalyzing event – a new Pearl Harbor” used to describe a desireable thing to happen and which would expedite the agenda of PNAC?

    5. Would you agree that the agenda of PNAC is consistant with the political philosophies of Cheney and Rumsfeld?

    Comment by gasdocpol — August 15, 2007 @ 12:01 pm | Reply

  14. Well, I gave it my best shot. I tried to have a little back-and-forth dialog but it appears this will not be happening today. I always try to read a persons opposing view point, reply to their argument no matter how crazy it may or may not be, and then give my counter-point. This is how thousands of years of civilizations have been moving towards perfecting the art of communication, and it seemed to be working just fine thank you.

    However, this appears to be impossible within the construct we have built here. So, I’ll let you have the last word after this and I’m going to cash out on this “discussion” of world politics before my head explodes.

    We get it, you think PNAC—a think tank—is evil somehow and you do not want to talk about anything else, like any of the real evil organizations throughout the world we are trying to defeat.

    By the way, there are several other PNAC type organizations out there I’ve had to “discuss” with people of your ilk. Like you, it’s easier for them to discuss conspiracy theories such as the New World Order involving lizards and the Jews (or is it lizard Jews?) controlling everything. I’m guessing that your arguments allure of requiring less brain power or layered and critical thought make it simple for the masses to consume and digest, which is why you’re stuck on it.

    You have your one answer as to why America is bad, and you’re running with it. Fine, that’s your choice. The Internet is great for running personal propaganda, grinding an axe, or orchestrating witch hunts like that. I’d love to say this was fun and educational, but it was neither.

    If you didn’t notice this already (not sure if you’re old enough), but every president throughout history has surrounded themselves with a tight inner circle of friends that belonged to or formed think tanks such as PNAC. Clinton’s cabinet and staff members have the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), if you’re looking to associate all of his white house colleagues with one evil organization.

    People like you have issues with being able to grasp logical thought that doesn’t devolve down to a simple game of the “Oracle of Bacon” and massive causal fallacies. I guess talking about silly things, such as real evil in the world is a waste of your time. So, I’ll let you get back to fighting the evil PNAC or Jew lizards by educating us idiots on the web about how they control everything.

    I, on the other hand, need to get back to trying to do things like convincing people a little higher up the pay grade than you that radical fascist Islam is this countries greatest enemy and must be defeated before we all live under militant Islamic law. That and I need to get really drunk after getting involved in this crazy thread (another reason to ensure radical islam never prevails).

    So, good luck to you gasdocpol on that destruction of the PNAC crusade thing. Oh, and that disproving the moon landing thing too.

    ***

    Thanks for hosting again Brick. You’ve been a great host; some beer and chips would have been nice though. 😉

    Comment by holydogwater — August 15, 2007 @ 2:36 pm | Reply

  15. It does not appear that you were inclined to answer 5 simple questions that I considered reasonable.

    Of course that is only my opinion. I am willing to listen why you might think that the questions were NOT reasonable.

    Comment by gasdocpol — August 15, 2007 @ 2:55 pm | Reply

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